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		<title>By: Worship Leading Choose Your Own Ending (Part 5)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worship Leading Choose Your Own Ending (Part 5)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] right now, that&#8217;s okay. Just listen to some U2, and read part 1, part 2, part 3, &amp; part 4 of the Worship Leading Choose Your Own Ending series, of which this post is the latest installment. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] right now, that&#8217;s okay. Just listen to some U2, and read part 1, part 2, part 3, &amp; part 4 of the Worship Leading Choose Your Own Ending series, of which this post is the latest installment. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, right on. I know that the backup guitarist thing can be so refreshing for me!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, right on. I know that the backup guitarist thing can be so refreshing for me!!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on the money Karl.   I haven&#039;t been able to develop side projects and that may warp what the worship ministry is supposed to be.   I&#039;m hoping to take the summer off from leading, after six years, and maybe pinch hit as backup guitarist only for a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on the money Karl.   I haven&#8217;t been able to develop side projects and that may warp what the worship ministry is supposed to be.   I&#8217;m hoping to take the summer off from leading, after six years, and maybe pinch hit as backup guitarist only for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 20:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm...some great points here! I actually agree with your pastor, Randy, as well as with Cam. I agree with your pastor that confusion is not good in a corporate worship music session; I also agree with what I think was his point that theology should not bow to artistry when it comes to corporate worship sessions, although I do think he may have over-simplified history a bit in an attempt to validate his point. Which is what I believe Cam&#039;s point was, and I agree.

Personally, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s wrong at all to be drawn to the more artistic, heartfelt songs. The song I worship most to is U2&#039;s &#039;The First Time&#039;, and I can&#039;t stand &#039;Everlasting God.&#039; But &#039;The First Time&#039; comes from a very specific time in the artist&#039;s life, that is difficult for the general church demographic to relate on a whole...so without the benefit of the artist&#039;s context and within the context of church, the theology is confusing. The theology of &#039;Everlasting God&#039; is not confusing in a congregational context. Therefore, even though I can worship more personally to the former, the overall ability of the congregation to worship will be increased with the latter. And as that is my goal, I&#039;ll choose Everlasting God the vast majority of the time.

I think what it comes down to is, are we up on stage to be artists, or to be servants? I don&#039;t think either one is better or worse, or even mutually exclusive. But I know for me personally, I feel that I am there to serve them. And if my artistry can &#039;help&#039; to that end, then that is what I will use it for. 

And then of course, I make sure I have multiple side projects that allow me to use the fullness of whatever artistry I have, even if it&#039;s playing originals to the zero people at the open mic coffee shop once a month. haha And then also having personal worship experiences with me, my guitar, and God, playing The First Time and pouring my heart out.

Having these things in place, I think helps us to be able to serve more selflessly when we are put in a congregational setting and charged with the lifting up of a corporate voice and heart to God.

Just my humble opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;some great points here! I actually agree with your pastor, Randy, as well as with Cam. I agree with your pastor that confusion is not good in a corporate worship music session; I also agree with what I think was his point that theology should not bow to artistry when it comes to corporate worship sessions, although I do think he may have over-simplified history a bit in an attempt to validate his point. Which is what I believe Cam&#8217;s point was, and I agree.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wrong at all to be drawn to the more artistic, heartfelt songs. The song I worship most to is U2&#8242;s &#8216;The First Time&#8217;, and I can&#8217;t stand &#8216;Everlasting God.&#8217; But &#8216;The First Time&#8217; comes from a very specific time in the artist&#8217;s life, that is difficult for the general church demographic to relate on a whole&#8230;so without the benefit of the artist&#8217;s context and within the context of church, the theology is confusing. The theology of &#8216;Everlasting God&#8217; is not confusing in a congregational context. Therefore, even though I can worship more personally to the former, the overall ability of the congregation to worship will be increased with the latter. And as that is my goal, I&#8217;ll choose Everlasting God the vast majority of the time.</p>
<p>I think what it comes down to is, are we up on stage to be artists, or to be servants? I don&#8217;t think either one is better or worse, or even mutually exclusive. But I know for me personally, I feel that I am there to serve them. And if my artistry can &#8216;help&#8217; to that end, then that is what I will use it for. </p>
<p>And then of course, I make sure I have multiple side projects that allow me to use the fullness of whatever artistry I have, even if it&#8217;s playing originals to the zero people at the open mic coffee shop once a month. haha And then also having personal worship experiences with me, my guitar, and God, playing The First Time and pouring my heart out.</p>
<p>Having these things in place, I think helps us to be able to serve more selflessly when we are put in a congregational setting and charged with the lifting up of a corporate voice and heart to God.</p>
<p>Just my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: rhoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not a personal problem ... I am the same way, btw. I think the reason mainly is that songs for corporate worship is geared for expressing praise &amp; worship to God while the non-corporate songs most of the time are geared towards personal experiences as a follower and our expressions of worship to God. that&#039;s just my humble opinion :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a personal problem &#8230; I am the same way, btw. I think the reason mainly is that songs for corporate worship is geared for expressing praise &amp; worship to God while the non-corporate songs most of the time are geared towards personal experiences as a follower and our expressions of worship to God. that&#8217;s just my humble opinion <img src='http://www.guitarforworship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 12:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point Cam.  It&#039;s almost like we need a radio station that plays new Christian music designed for congregational singing ( corporate worship ).   Chris Tomlin has a pretty good track record of writing songs specifically for that purpose.
I&#039;ve heard him say ( like on New Song Cafe ) that &quot;we did this song with a full band, but here&#039;s how you could do it with just two acoustics in a smaller church&quot;  etc etc.

Must be a personal problem that I&#039;m drawn to songs that supposedly aren&#039;t great for corporate worship -- you can&#039;t do a set of all &quot;specials.&quot;    Funny thing is, of those in church who are paying any attention to contemporary Christian music, I suspect many of them are also drawn to songs that some don&#039;t consider quite right for church.

Plenty of new music out there -- I get links like this one in a regular email:   http://www.worshiptogether.com/index.aspx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Cam.  It&#8217;s almost like we need a radio station that plays new Christian music designed for congregational singing ( corporate worship ).   Chris Tomlin has a pretty good track record of writing songs specifically for that purpose.<br />
I&#8217;ve heard him say ( like on New Song Cafe ) that &#8220;we did this song with a full band, but here&#8217;s how you could do it with just two acoustics in a smaller church&#8221;  etc etc.</p>
<p>Must be a personal problem that I&#8217;m drawn to songs that supposedly aren&#8217;t great for corporate worship &#8212; you can&#8217;t do a set of all &#8220;specials.&#8221;    Funny thing is, of those in church who are paying any attention to contemporary Christian music, I suspect many of them are also drawn to songs that some don&#8217;t consider quite right for church.</p>
<p>Plenty of new music out there &#8212; I get links like this one in a regular email:   <a href="http://www.worshiptogether.com/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.worshiptogether.com/index.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 02:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[see, i was so fired up i couldn&#039;t even type properly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see, i was so fired up i couldn&#8217;t even type properly!</p>
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		<title>By: Baggas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baggas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 02:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen Cam. Preach it brother!

:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Cam. Preach it brother!<br />
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		<title>By: cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 02:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[randy, respectfully to your pastor, i reckon his comment is a fairly big load of bulldust!!  Of course hymns seem great and full theologically... we&#039;ve retained and kept the absolute best!  We probably retain ~50 in common use in modern churchs but have convieniently left the 10&#039;s of thousands behins that had bad theology, poor melody or were just plain ho hum...  We cant fall into the trap of assuming that they were deeper then as God touches or doent touch songwriter the same today as he did then.  The inspiration of the Holy Spirit does not change, the intereaction of man to God is no different and the inspiration of God to man through the Holy Spirit is just as real!!
I love some Hymns but this subject really gets me fired up!!  We have great modern songs and poor modern songs just as there are and were Hymns.  Crack open a book of old Hymns and see how musc poor poetry and theology flows out!
They are all just songs written by fallible people inspired more or less by God to God.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>randy, respectfully to your pastor, i reckon his comment is a fairly big load of bulldust!!  Of course hymns seem great and full theologically&#8230; we&#8217;ve retained and kept the absolute best!  We probably retain ~50 in common use in modern churchs but have convieniently left the 10&#8242;s of thousands behins that had bad theology, poor melody or were just plain ho hum&#8230;  We cant fall into the trap of assuming that they were deeper then as God touches or doent touch songwriter the same today as he did then.  The inspiration of the Holy Spirit does not change, the intereaction of man to God is no different and the inspiration of God to man through the Holy Spirit is just as real!!<br />
I love some Hymns but this subject really gets me fired up!!  We have great modern songs and poor modern songs just as there are and were Hymns.  Crack open a book of old Hymns and see how musc poor poetry and theology flows out!<br />
They are all just songs written by fallible people inspired more or less by God to God.<br />
*rant end*</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 01:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; confuses a congregation &quot;  That&#039;s exactly what my Pastor said.  I never thought of it as a congregational song -- the problem is, many songs I&#039;m hearing that grab my attention are not congregational.   Maybe I should be doing &quot;worship&quot; in the park or something.

He went on to say    &quot;That&#039;s why most hymns are safe—they were written during times when the communication of sound doctrine was non-negotiable, and when poetry bowed to truth and never the reverse. Our times have changed, and not for the better. There are many great and sincere Christian songwriters and worship leaders nowadays, but if their message is debatable, then it&#039;s also confusing, regardless of their sincere and worshipfully artistic intent. In the end, the merit of any song meant to inspire people to worship is clear, obvious truth—and we can&#039;t afford any distractions from that...&quot;        But when I did a somewhat rockin version of I Walk By Faith, he said &quot;do more like that.&quot;  So now I&#039;m confused -- not so confused I&#039;m going to start doing lots of hymns though.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; confuses a congregation &#8221;  That&#8217;s exactly what my Pastor said.  I never thought of it as a congregational song &#8212; the problem is, many songs I&#8217;m hearing that grab my attention are not congregational.   Maybe I should be doing &#8220;worship&#8221; in the park or something.</p>
<p>He went on to say    &#8220;That&#8217;s why most hymns are safe—they were written during times when the communication of sound doctrine was non-negotiable, and when poetry bowed to truth and never the reverse. Our times have changed, and not for the better. There are many great and sincere Christian songwriters and worship leaders nowadays, but if their message is debatable, then it&#8217;s also confusing, regardless of their sincere and worshipfully artistic intent. In the end, the merit of any song meant to inspire people to worship is clear, obvious truth—and we can&#8217;t afford any distractions from that&#8230;&#8221;        But when I did a somewhat rockin version of I Walk By Faith, he said &#8220;do more like that.&#8221;  So now I&#8217;m confused &#8212; not so confused I&#8217;m going to start doing lots of hymns though.  <img src='http://www.guitarforworship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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